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Poverty Informs J.K. Rowling's New Novel For Adults

Originally published on Thu September 27, 2012 11:00 am

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J.K. Rowling has a new novel. She's moved away from Harry Potter, the boy wizard whose stories prompted millions of kids to obsess over books big enough to serve as doorstops. Having concluded that series, she's written a novel for grown-ups called The Casual Vacancy, a story of troubled teenagers and their even more troubled parents.

A local politician in an English town drops dead, prompting not mourning, but an outbreak of speculation over his suddenly empty town council seat. There's no magic in Vacancy, though readers of the Potter books may well recognize Rowling's acute and often painful observations of human nature.

Rowling tells NPR's Steve Inskeep that Vacancy was a book she felt a deep need to write. "Exactly as with Harry Potter, I knew it was something I really, really wanted to write. I became excited about the idea of writing it," she says. "It's a very personal book ... It's not my story, but it does address themes, subjects that are very important to me."

Rowling got the idea on a plane, while touring the United States to promote the last Harry Potter book. "There appears to be something to do with vehicles and movement that stimulates my writing," she laughs. Rowling was, famously, on a train when she had the idea for Harry Potter.

There are kids in Vacancy, but they're worlds away from Harry and his wizarding pals. "I knew that there would be an element of subversion in the story," Rowling says. "Largely from the teenagers, in that they attempt to influence what's going on."

She describes those teenagers as simultaneously victims and protagonists: "I suppose that the whole plot revolves around the question of what we do with someone like this particular teenage girl ... from a very deprived family. She's rather disruptive in school; there are just a lot of aspects to her situation that interest me," Rowling says. "In some ways, for very personal reasons, because — as is very well-documented — I, too, have passed through a period of poverty in Britain and can understand some of those issues."

"I think that I've had a very strange life," Rowling adds. She came from a well-educated, lower-middle-class background, she says, but as many biographies have noted, she ended up on welfare after her first marriage broke down. Pressed to describe what "middle class" means in the British class system, Rowling laughs. "I'm really not qualified to do it ... I think you could ask 10 English people the same question about class and get a very different answer. Social mobility is one of the great issues of the day here, as I'm sure it is in America."

Rowling says she hasn't met with class prejudice since her success. But, she adds, "I would say that I have many times met with the assumption that my attitudes have changed much more than they have towards people who are still in the kind of situation I once was." She recalls an encounter with a man who described his neighborhood as free of "riff-raff." "His assumption was that I would be glad to have kept out of my area the kind of person that I used to be, because I think, you know, not that long ago he would have considered me riff-raff, too."

Rowling's experience with poverty — and with teaching — informed her portrait of the deprived and disruptive Krystal. "When people are very damaged, they can often meet the world with a kind of defiance," she says. "This automatic denial, this wish not to take responsibility for anything, this fear that if fault is found, they will be condemned and ruthlessly punished ... I saw that a lot when I was teaching. And yet it does absolutely, it can and does often go hand in hand with a very routinely cavalier ... relationship with the truth, and with what you and I would consider very basic morals."

But when characters like Krystal and her mother feel powerless or unjustly accused, their anger can be intense. "One of the great problems for me is that the poor ... are so often discussed just as this large, shapeless mass. You lose your individuality a huge amount when you have no money, and I certainly had that experience," she says. "You become part of a problem. You're someone who stands in a line to get money; it's not where you want to be, and you become very voiceless."

Another teenager in the novel, Andrew, posts to a web site an anonymous message about his abusive father — unaware that his actions will have a lasting and far-reaching impact. "It goes to the heart of these teenaged characters," says Rowling, "that they are this curious mix, which I think is very characteristic of adolescence, of being truth-seekers in the way that adolescents often are. They crave the big picture, they crave the grand gesture ... yet at the same time, they have very little empathy."

Rowling adds that her 19-year-old daughter has read Vacancy. "She had a curious reaction, actually. ... She said, 'It's made me realize how much I don't know.' .... She wasn't old enough when we left a life of real poverty to remember some of what I can remember, and I suppose this book brought it home to her, what kind of existence we could have had."

But Rowling says she hasn't thought much about the reaction of professional critics. "I truly don't mean this in any kind of an arrogant way, but I feel very liberated at the moment. And whatever the reviewers feel about The Casual Vacancy, it is what I wanted it to be, and you can't say fairer than that as a writer."

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Transcript

DAVID GREENE, HOST:

This is MORNING EDITION from NPR News. Good morning. I'm David Greene.

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

And I'm Steve Inskeep.

J.K. Rowling has a new novel. She has moved away from Harry Potter, the boy wizard whose stories prompted millions of kids, including mine, to obsess over books big enough to serve as doorstops. Having concluded that series, she's written a novel for grown-ups - a story of troubled teenagers and their even more troubled parents.

A local politician in an English town drops dead, prompting people who knew him not to mourn, but to start asking what his suddenly empty seat on the town council could mean for them. There is no magic in "A Casual Vacancy," though readers of the Potter books may well recognize Rowling's acute and often painful observations of human nature.

Why write this book on this subject?

J.K. ROWLING: Because, as I think most writers will tell you, I just needed to write this book. It was an idea that came to me in 2007. I had the idea actually in the States. I was on tour promoting the last in the Potter series - "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" - and I was on a plane and had the idea for "The Casual Vacancy."

And exactly as it had happened with Harry Potter, I knew it was something I really, really wanted to write. I became excited about the idea of writing it. It's a very personal book in a lot of way. Clearly, it's not a memoir. I'm not in the book. It's not my story, but it does address themes, subjects that are very important to me. And, yeah, so that was the starting point.

INSKEEP: Started on a plane in the United States. I wonder why there. Because it was a plane and you had time to yourself?

ROWLING: Yeah, I think so. I mean, there appears to be something to do with vehicles and movement that stimulates my writing. Obviously, it was a train with Harry Potter. I wasn't actually on my own. I was traveling with my family and with people from my publisher. And I can't even tell you why I had this idea at the time, but there it was.

The basic idea was for a small town election occasioned by the death of a man who had been a lot of things to a lot of people in the town and what happened in the aftermath of his death. And even then I knew that there would be an element of subversion in the story. And that comes largely from the...

INSKEEP: Subversion?

ROWLING: Yeah, subversion, largely from the teenagers in that they attempt to influence what's going on.

INSKEEP: Even thought there are a lot of adult characters in this book, in the end it does revolve around young people, a handful of them.

ROWLING: The teenagers definitely drive the plot. There are five teenagers and they are simultaneously victims, protagonists, and in one case, I suppose, the whole plot revolves around the question of what we do with someone like this particular teenage girl, who's Crystal. She comes from a very deprived family. She's rather disruptive in school.

There are just a lot of aspects to her situation that interest me. In some ways, they're very personal reasons, because - as is very well-documented - I, too, have passed through a period of poverty in Britain and can understand some of those issues.

INSKEEP: Give me a better idea of what you mean there. Explain that for people.

ROWLING: Well, I think that I've had a very strange life. I've passed through a lot of different economic states in my life. My family was not particularly well off, although I came from a middle class and pretty well educated family. I attended a school very like the school that's depicted in the book, which means that it's a state-run school full of children from all kinds of different backgrounds. And then there came a point after the breakdown of my first marriage when, as I say, is very well documented, I existed for a while exclusively on welfare - on what we call benefits and you call welfare.

INSKEEP: Would you help us understand a little bit the class system in Britain, because...

ROWLING: I am not - Steve, I'm not qualified to do it. I'll say that - I'm really not qualified to do it, because this book's set in England, so I'm going to say English, although I now live and work in Scotland. But I think you could ask 10 English people the same question about class and get a very different answer. Social mobility is one of the great issues of the day here, as I'm sure it is in America.

I grew up in what I would call a lower middle class family. Not too far back, this was a very working class family. So I don't think that I had a - I know for a fact I didn't have a very grandiose upbringing. And I'm not really qualified to speak about the subject of class, except from my point of view.

INSKEEP: Well, I'm curious if you, as you went through the changes of your life, if you had difficulty being accepted by people from other classes even as you started making lots of money.

ROWLING: No. I wouldn't say that that happened. I would say that I have many times met with the assumption that my attitudes have changed much more than they have towards people who are still in the kind of situation I once was. In other words, well, I can think of a very recent example. I don't know whether you'll know this expression, but a man said to me, he told me where he lived, and he said now, of course, we have no riff-raff around there. But - you do understand the expression, clearly.

INSKEEP: Yes.

ROWLING: And his assumption was that I would be glad to have kept out of my area the kind of person that I used to be, because I think, you know, not that long ago he would have considered me riff-raff, too.

INSKEEP: And it's in that tension between the upper classes and the so-called riff-raff that J.K. Rowling finds much of the tension in her novel, "The Casual Vacancy." We're going to hear more of our conversation tomorrow when Rowling talks of depicting teenagers and of what her own teenage daughter thought of the book. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright National Public Radio.