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Pulp Fiction's Bad Boy Mike Hammer Returns In 'Complex 90'

The late Mickey Spillane wrote mysteries that practically created the American paperback industry — more than 225 million copies of his books have been sold since he was first published in 1947. Spillane was the best-selling mystery writer of the 20th century — not Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler or other signature writers whose works were sometimes judged to have moved from detective mystery to work of literature.

Mickey Spillane died in 2006, but his hard-boiled, pre-Age of Aquarius detective, Mike Hammer, lives on thanks to acclaimed mystery writer and graphic novelist Max Allan Collins. Collins was Spillane's friend and literary executor, and since 2006, he's been hard at work completing several of Spillane's unfinished Mike Hammer manuscripts.

Complex 90 is the latest book to come out of that effort. In it, Hammer accompanies a U.S. senator to Moscow, where he has to shoot his way out of a KGB trap. He makes it back to the U.S. only to learn that the Soviets, as they were called in the mid-1960s, want him returned so he can stand trial — and some in the U.S. government are willing oblige them.

Collins tells NPR's Scott Simon about how he and Spillane became friends and when Spillane asked him to finish his manuscripts.


Interview Highlights

On how completion of the manuscripts fell to him

"Mickey knew that he was dying, quite frankly. He had pancreatic cancer and he was working on a book called The Goliath Bone, which he envisioned as the last Mike Hammer novel. And he called me literally a week before he passed and said, 'I'm not gonna get to the end of this book. Will you pick up where I left off?' And that was an incredible honor to me and I said, 'Absolutely. I hope I don't have to, Mickey, but if that's what happens I'll be glad to do that.' And then a few days later he spoke to his wife, Jane, and said, 'When I'm gone there's gonna be a treasure hunt around here. Take everything you find and give it to Max.'

"So, indeed, we did have a treasure hunt. My wife, Barb, and I went down to South Carolina and the great find was half a dozen Mike Hammer manuscripts that are substantial — hundred page-plus. And these have become the basis of these half-dozen Mike Hammer novels that I've committed to complete."

On how much of Complex 90 is Spillane, and how much is Collins

"I usually describe this as about a 50/50 collaboration. Mickey usually has done about a third of the book when I set out to do my portion. But you have to consider the fact that he has plotted the book: He's created not only Mike Hammer, but all the characters; everything is in motion; sometimes the ending is already written. And I usually take the 100 or 125 pages that he's written and I revise them. I treat it as a rough draft and that usually expands to about 200 to 250 pages."

On how he and Spillane became friends

"When I was 13 and I discovered the writers you mentioned — Dashiell Hammett and Raymond Chandler — I also discovered Mickey Spillane, and I was kind of startled to find out that Hammett and Chandler were revered and Mickey, though the most popular, was reviled. And I was always sort of his unrequested defender: I would write articles; I wrote my thesis at the [Iowa Writers'] Workshop here at Iowa City about Mickey Spillane. And Mickey came to know that I was the Mike Hammer defender and we really, really hit it off. Wonderful man, sweet man."

On why Spillane didn't get the same respect as Hammett and Chandler

"He's a writer like Grandma Moses was a painter. And really, he writes more vividly than Hammett. Of course Hammett was stylistically very objective, that was his approach. And Chandler was a guy that did metaphors, primarily — that's what he's really, really famous for. But Mickey would go in and he would paint the night like a sort of demented poet. You know, Mike Hammer is the most emotional of these guys. He is really somewhat psychotic, which is one of the reasons why I think the books got criticized; that he kills 45 people in the first, I don't know, 40 or 50 pages of the book. I'm tasteful so some of that's off-screen."

On what made Spillane's books so popular

"I think that there's a lot to do with his mastery of first-person prose and pulling you into not just the situation, but the character. He was very careful never to describe Mike Hammer in detail. It's one of the reasons why there really — other than Kiss Me Deadly — was not a great film made for many of his books; because the Mike Hammer on-screen never matched up to the Mike Hammer of the mind.

"The other thing that Mickey had — the core idea which was so, so important in popular culture, for good or ill — is that Hammer is where, for the first time, the hero uses the methods of the bad guys. The way Mickey described it was, 'He wears the black hat but he's the hero.' I thought that was a good way to put it. ... You know both James Bond and Shaft were sold, respectively, as the British Mike Hammer and the black Mike Hammer. Hammer is where really all this stuff comes from."

On how he knows he's done justice to Spillane's work

"One of the things I love to see is a reviewer [who] quote[s] four or five lines that are typical Mickey Spillane lines from one of these books, and I'll see two of them that I know I wrote. Then I feel like, 'OK, I'm getting this right.' "

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Transcript

SCOTT SIMON, HOST:

This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Scott Simon. There's a new Mike Hammer novel by Mickey Spillane. Hey, wait, didn't Mickey Spillane die in 2006? But Mike Hammer endures. "Complex 90" tells the story of the hardboiled pre-Age of Aquarius detective accompanying the U.S. senator to Moscow where he has to shoot his way out of a KGB trap.

Ha. Could happen to anybody. The Soviets, as they were called in the mid-1960s, want Mike back to stand trial. So why do some people in the U.S. government want to oblige them? Why was Mike chosen to accompany the senator? And is there a place in the modern mid-1960s, or even now, for a man with a 1940s sense of honor and a guy who still calls women doll?

The late Mickey Spillane wrote mysteries that practically created the American paperback industry. Over 225 million copies of his books have been sold since he was first published in 1947. Mickey Spillane, not Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler or other creators of signature detectives whose works were sometimes judged to have moved into literature, was the best-selling mystery writer of the 20th Century.

Now, Mickey Spillane was 88 when he died and Max Allan Collins, himself an acclaimed mystery writer, and graphic novelist, including, "Road to Perdition," was his friend and literary executor, and he's helped complete "Complex 90." Max Allan Collins joins us from WSUI in Iowa City, Iowa. Thanks so much for being with us.

MAX ALLAN COLLINS: It's really a pleasure and it's fun to hear you talk about the book.

SIMON: Well, how did this story come into your hands?

COLLINS: Well, Mickey knew that he was dying, quite frankly. He had pancreatic cancer and he was working on a book called, "The Goliath Bone," which he envisioned as the last Mike Hammer novel. And he called me literally a week before he passed and said: I'm not going to get to the end of this book. Will you pick up where I left off? And it was an incredible honor to me and I said, absolutely.

I hope I don't have to, Mickey, but if that's what happens, I'll be glad to do that. And then a few days later he spoke to his wife, Jane, and said when I'm gone there's going to be a treasure hunt around here. Take everything you find and give it to Max. So indeed we did have a treasure hunt. My wife Barb and I went down to South Carolina and the great find was half a dozen Mike Hammer manuscripts that are substantial, 100-page plus, and these have become the basis of this half-dozen Mike Hammer novels that I've committed to complete.

SIMON: How did you guys become friends?

COLLINS: Well, I was his biggest fan, which is saying something when you're the best-selling mystery writer of the 20th Century. When I was 13 and I discovered the writers you mentioned, Dashiell Hammett and Raymond Chandler, I also discovered Mickey Spillane. And I was kind of startled to find out that Hammett and Chandler were revered, and Mickey, although the most popular, was reviled.

And I was always sort of his unrequested defender. I would write articles and Mickey came to know that I was the Mike Hammer defender and we really, really hit it off.

SIMON: And may we ask this book, "Complex 90," how much of it is you, how much of it is Mickey Spillane?

COLLINS: Well, I usually describe this as about a 50/50 collaboration. Mickey usually has done about a third of the book when I set out to do my portion. But you have to consider the fact that he has plotted the book, he has created not only Mike Hammer but all the characters. Everything is in motion. Sometimes the ending is already written and I usually take the 100 or 125 pages that he's written and I revise them. I treat it as rough draft and that usually expands to about 200, 250 pages.

SIMON: I want to get you to read a couple of paragraphs if we could. So Mike Hammer is in Moscow with the senator?

COLLINS: That's right. That day they've had the big November 7th rally in Red Square and Mike has just gone out by himself, had a big meal at a restaurant and now just kind of walking in Moscow.

(Reading) Hands in my trench coat pockets, my breath like the ghost I was chasing. I took a nice brisk walk, even if my Praga(ph) feast remained a lump in my belly. Famous buildings were scattered around the Hotel National as if dropped there by a bored giant. Saint Basil's Cathedral, the Bolshoi Theatre, this museum, that art gallery. After all the pomp and circumstance of the day, the grand citadel of the Kremlin was asleep on this nearly moonless night.

SIMON: That section that you just read had some - I circled some of the wonderful flourishes. I mean, things like breath like a ghost, and the buildings as if dropped there by a bored giant. Why do you think Mickey Spillane, with his Mike Hammer novels, didn't get some of the respect Dashiell Hammett did with Sam Spade?

COLLINS: Well, Mickey was, I would say, a primitive. He's a writer like Grandma Moses was a painter. Mickey would go in and he would paint the night like a sort of demented poet. You know, Mike Hammer is the most emotional of these guys. He is really somewhat psychotic, which is one of the reasons why I think the books got criticized. He kills 45 people in the first, I don't know, 40 or 50 pages of the book.

(LAUGHTER)

COLLINS: I'm tasteful, so some of that's off-screen. But he does in fact.

SIMON: At one point, a U.S. security man says to Mike Hammer: Guys who carry big guns are compensating. I got to tell you, that sounds, to me, like a 2013 line that a clever writer has put into a 1964 story. Is that the case?

COLLINS: Well, you know, he had a fun way of really addressing the critical response to him. He would often, in the context of the novels, thumb his nose at the critics by even repeating the things that he'd been accused of doing. There's a lot of black humor in these books. I wouldn't go so far as to say tongue-in-cheek or campy but there is definitely a sense, on both our parts, of what we're up to, I think.

SIMON: Well, and to pursue this a bit, from the perspective of 2013, was Mike Hammer compensating?

COLLINS: You know, I don't think he was because, you know, there's an interesting thing in Spillane, which is that most tough guys in literature are understated. You know, Randolph Scott, for example, these guys, they don't say much. And usually a tough guy who talks a lot isn't really tough. Hammer is odd in that fashion, 'cause he will come in and he will give you a paragraph about the terrible things he's going to do to you if you mess with him. And then they mess with him and he does those things. So, he's not kidding. He's just this crazy.

SIMON: Max Allan Collins. He is the award-winning mystery writer who, as Mickey Spillane's literary executor, has finished another Mike Hammer novel, "Complex 90." Mr. Collins, thanks so much for being with us.

COLLINS: It was really my pleasure. Thank you for the wonderful questions. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.